Austin passes Fair Chance Hiring ordinance

DLM’s Brian McGiverin joined with members of the Second Chance Democrats of Austin and other advocates at the Austin City Council on March 24, and they succeeded in encouraging the Council to pass the “Fair Chance Hiring” ordinance described in previous coverage linked from this blog.

The events from that evening were described in on the well known “Grits for Breakfast” blog, which are copied below.

Austin passes Fair Chance Hiring ordinance

FRIDAY, MARCH 25, 2016  Grits for Breakfast

 Last night, the Austin City Council passed a Fair Chance Hiring ordinance, becoming the first city in the South to require employers to wait until a conditional offer of employment has been made to inquire about an applicant’s criminal history. While similar “Ban the Box” initiatives have gained traction across the country, the Austin ordinance goes further than most fair chance laws in that it applies to private employers, delays the criminal history question until the point of conditional offer, and includes a civil penalty of up to $500.

According to Grassroots Leadership, which helped lead efforts to pass the ordinance, more than one in three Texans has a criminal record, and 2200 people return to the Austin area each year from prison. Even though employment stability is one of the top factors in preventing recidivism, 60-75% of people released from prison cannot find work within a year of their release. And the effects of incarceration disproportionately impact people of color: African Americans make up nearly 35% of people incarcerated in Texas prisons, while they represent only 12.5% of Texas’ overall population. With Austin’s unemployment rate exceptionally low and employers in need of applicants, it also makes sense for Austin to pass measures that would help increase the labor pool.

At last night’s hearing, the City Council heard public testimony from many formerly incarcerated individuals who spoke about the difficulty of obtaining gainful employment, the shame and stigma that comes with having a criminal record, and how their families have been impacted by their incarceration. Susannah Bannon, a Ph.D. student at the University of Texas at Austin, stated that her retired parents should not have to “worry about whether or not their 35-year old daughter who is halfway through her doctoral degree can pay her rent,” and asked if “someone who comes from this much privilege and has this much support … cannot make it in Austin, how can someone who is less fortunate do it?” Jorge Renaud, an organizer with Texas Advocates for Justice, slammed the “privileged few” opposing the ordinance, who he said were trying to persuade the Council “to continue a policy that has resulted in families, communities and entire neighborhoods on the east side and south side of Austin, impoverished and destitute and unable to climb out of poverty.”

Attorney Brian McGiverin, who also testified in support of the ordinance, placed the measure in the context of the Civil Rights Movement. He began his testimony with a quotation from a letter written on behalf of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in 1963 regarding legislation that would become a piece of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The excerpt resembled statements that have been made in opposition to the Austin ordinance: “The problem involves so many considerations that any bill comprehensive enough to cover them all would in all probability do more harm than good. The better approach to the problem is a combination of voluntary efforts and increased education to ensure better understanding of the need.” McGiverin argued that the “gameplan for gutting civil rights legislation really hasn’t changed that much in the past 50 years” and urged the Council not to be persuaded by the same “tired” arguments that have been used in the past to try to defeat antidiscrimination laws.

Opponents to the ordinance were mostly from the business community and included the Austin Chamber of Commerce, the Texas Credit Union Association, and the Texas Public Policy Foundation. A representative with the Texas Credit Union Association stated that the ordinance “imposes unnecessary costs and burdens on business and imposes particular risks on financial institutions,” referring to potential conflict with federal laws that prohibit financial institutions from employing people with certain criminal histories. However, Council Member Kitchen pointed out that the ordinance expressly did not apply where state or federal law disqualifies a person with a criminal history from holding certain jobs. Temporary staffing firms also voiced concerns that the ordinance would interfere with their particular business model, where applicants apply to the staffing firm for employment but are ultimately sent to outside employers which have their own hiring requirements. In response to those concerns an amendment was adopted that would allow the firms to conduct background checks either upon conditional offer of outside employment, or upon an applicant’s entry into a hiring pool.

Prior to the vote, Council Member Renteria spoke in support of the measure, and – like many of the advocates who testified in support – invoked his personal experience.  He described his brother’s involvement in the criminal justice system and the effects of his brother’s criminal record on work opportunities. His brother, who spent most of his childhood and young adult life incarcerated – first in the Waco State School from age 8 and later in TDCJ until age 32 – is now 68 years old, has never earned more than $10 an hour and has never had health benefits. Council Member Renteria stated that, when his brother was incarcerated, “society at that time really didn’t care about low-income minorities,” and implored his fellow council members to “show our compassion.”

The ordinance was sponsored by Council Member Greg Casar and in the end was opposed by only two Council members. In a moment when communities across the country are looking for ways to improve outcomes for formerly incarcerated people, the ordinance is one of the more progressive efforts we’ve seen and sets an important precedent.

For my part, it was fascinating and inspiring to see a grassroots effort, led by people directly affected by the policy, defeat entrenched and well-funded interests to effect immediate and impactful change. Congratulations to Council Member Greg Casar and the organizers and advocates who have spent the better part of the past year working to get the ordinance passed.

Video from last night’s hearing can be found here.

What do you do when a friend is arrested for DWI?

What do you do when a friend is arrested for DWI?

Ask a Lawyer!

Joe – he could be your family or a friend – calls you from jail. The police arrested him, saying he was driving while intoxicated, and he needs help. The situation is all too common.

What do you?

  • First, he needs help to get out of jail.
  • Second, he needs to understand what he’s facing.
  • Finally, he needs a lawyer to defend his rights.

How do you get Joe out of jail?

If you get arrested, you will go to jail. Once a person goes to jail, they don’t come out without a judge’s permission.

To get Joe out of jail, a judge needs to set a “bond” – either a personal recognizance (PR) bond, cash bond, or surety bond. A cash or security bond will cost Joe money, likely several hundred dollars.

A PR bond is the least expensive option, and a lawyer can maximize the chances that a judge will grant one.

What are the potential consequences of a DWI?

It is illegal to operate a vehicle while intoxicated – meaning either a 0.08 percent blood alcohol concentration, or any combination of drugs/alcohol that takes away the driver’s mental or physical faculties. A driver younger than 21 cannot have any detectable amount of alcohol in their system.

A first-time DWI is typically a class B misdemeanor, and the punishment can be 180 days in jail and a $2,000 fine. The penalties are higher for a second or third offense; if the driver’s blood alcohol concentration is higher than 0.15 percent; if there was a minor in the car; or if anyone was injured in an accident – penalties can be as high as 2-20 years in prison and a $10,000 fine in the most serious situations.

If a driver is convicted, his driver’s license can be suspendedfor up to one year for a first offense, or up to two years for a second or enhanced offense (DPS can also suspend a license if a driver fails or refuses a roadside breath or blood test, but an attorney can help if hired quickly). Being convicted for DWI will also bring three years of surcharges from the Texas Department of Public Safety – ranging from $1,000 – $2,000 a year.

Finally, a conviction (or even probation) cannot be removed from the driver’s conviction history, and may discourage employers or landlords from hiring and/or renting to him in the future. The only way to keep it off your record entirely is to beat the charge

How can Joe defend his rights?

The best way to defend your rights is to hire an attorney. The criminal justice system is stacked against a person accused of a crime. After an arrest, a person deserves to have an experienced attorney by their side to see them through the storm.
  • An attorney can help a driver avoid having his license automatically suspended for failing or refusing a roadside alcohol test.
  • An attorney can help the driver be found not guilty – by examining the evidence, cross examining police, and persuading the judge and jury.
  • And if a driver is convicted, then an attorney can make sure the punishment is as light as possible.

The criminal justice system can be scary, but after an arrest, there is no time to delay. Anyone facing jail and fines needs a dedicated advocate to help them.

Who are you going to call?

Feds cap rates for inmate phone calls

DLM attorney Brian McGiverin appears (in his capacity as counsel for the Prison Justice League) in this article on the FCC capping charges on inmate phone calls.

Feds cap rates for inmate phone calls

October 22, 2015 Updated: October 22, 2015 11:20pm

The Harris County Jail's phone rates are $4 for the first 15 minutes and 6 to 36 cents per minute thereafter. Photo: Gary Coronado, Staff / © 2015 Houston Chronicle

AUSTIN – Prison advocates on Thursday hailed a Federal Communications Commission ruling that slashed “unconscionable and egregious” rates for telephone calls from jails and prisons, a move that could benefit thousands of Texas families with incarcerated loved ones.

In Texas, where phone calls from state prisons generated about $32 million in gross revenues for the inmate phone provider in 2013, officials said the cost of inmate phone calls could be cut roughly by half – to 11 cents per minute from as much as 26 cents – in state lockups.

Rates as high as $17 per minute have been charged in some other states, sparking years of controversy that culminated in the FCC review of those rates and Thursday’s 3-2 decision.

“It makes me want to cry, I’m so happy,” said Jennifer Erschabek, executive director of the Texas Inmate Families Association, which has lobbied for lower rates. “There are so many barriers and costs to families after their loved ones are sent to prison, and the high phone call fees can mean hundreds of dollars a year for a family to stay in touch.”

In its decision, the FCC approved a rate of 11 cents a minute for state and federal lockups and from 14 to 22 cents a minute for local jails, depending on the size of the lockup and type of call or the form of payment. The change, set to take effect next year, also will eliminate extra fees levied by some companies, ban flat rates that charge for calls regardless of the duration, and discourage companies from paying “commissions” to local and state correctional agencies from their jail phone profits.

“Some counties use funds from the phone contracts to buy road graders, others use it for other purposes, and the effect will be different depending on the county,” said Steve Westbrook, executive director of the Sheriffs Association of Texas. “But it’s probably safe to say it’s going to have an effect, and will mean less money for budgets.”

Extra features

Companies that provide inmate phone services had insisted the higher rates were necessary to cover the costs of extra features, such as call monitoring and call blocking, required by corrections departments and local agencies. Correctional agencies and government agencies had argued much the same thing.

Robert Hurst, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, said the agency was reviewing the FCC decision with its inmate-phone provider, Century Link. He said current call rates range from 21 to 26 cents per minute.

In the budget year that ended in August, he said, the state Victim’s Compensation Fund received $13.1 million from prison calls; the state’s General Revenue Fund received $3.1 million.

Agency figures show gross revenues from inmate calls in Texas were $15.1 million in the 2011 budget year, $18.8 million in 2012 and $32.8 million in 2013. Comparative information from local jails across Texas was not immediately available Thursday.

Inmate phone calls at the Harris County Jail cost a flat rate of $4 for the first 15 minutes, regardless of where the inmate is calling, according to Linda Harvey, director of Enterprise Managed Services at the Harris County Information Technology Center. She said that charges for the minutes that follow vary, from 6 cents a minute for a local call on the weekend to 36 cents a minute for a daytime call out of the local area; calls made outside of Texas, after the initial $4, cost 21 cents a minute, no matter the time of day.

‘Relief’ for families

In Bexar County, calls cost $4 without a per-minute fee, according to a copy of the contract with California-based ICSolutions. Under that agreement, the county is paid 70 percent of gross revenues from the calls or $2.1 million a year, whichever is greater.

State and local officials said rates in most counties are at or slightly above the FCC rate, though some additional fees can run those costs higher.

Bob Haenel, a spokesman for the Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office, said its rates – now at 22 to 24 cents per minute, and 35 cents a minute for international calls – will be changed to comply with the FCC mandate. Other counties said they plan to do the same.

“After 12-plus years, millions of friends, families and legal representatives will finally have relief from unconscionable and egregious inmate calling rates,” FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn said of Thursday’s decision. “What may seem like a small step in the overall criminal justice reform effort will go a long way in enabling families to stay connected, which, in turn, should help to reduce our outrageous recidivism and incarceration rates, which are among the highest in the industrialized world.”

Commissioners Michael O’Rielly and Ajit Pai, both Republicans, dissented, saying they did not believe the commission had the authority to limit the pricing of calls.

Passage of the reforms supported by FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler and Clyburn were applauded by advocacy organizations compromising the Campaign for Prison Phone Justice, along with myriad criminal justice reform and civil rights groups that had lobbied for years for curbs on the high costs of prisoner calls.

The FCC began examining the costs two years ago after a Washington, D.C., grandmother detailed how she was paying $1,000 a year to talk to her grandson. The commission limited the cost for out-of-state calls at that time.

“It’s really great the FCC has seen fit to put a cap on these charges. They were really excessive for quite some time,” said Brian McGiverin, general counsel of the Austin-based Prison Justice League that advocates for better conditions in prisons. “(Prisons) quite literally had a captive audience … with a service vital for someone’s mental wellbeing.”

Texas Senate study

Josh Gravens, executive director of the Dallas-based Organized Justice advocacy group, said the ruling will lessen the financial burden on families who want to stay in touch with loved ones in prison, an important link that encourages rehabilitation and eventual success after a convict’s prison sentence ends.

“We’ve signed petitions and have listened to the suffering of families, including two different women who took second jobs (low paying retail in one case) to get enough to keep the calls going for seven months while their sons were in local jails,” said Diana Claitor, with the Texas Jail Project. “That’s an ongoing problem.”

It is a dilemma Linda Pugh, of the Houston-based Inmate Assistance League, has heard often from jail prisoners’ families. “They tell me, they can’t afford for their loved one to tell them, ‘I’m going to court tomorrow, can you be there?’ ” she said.

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick two weeks ago ordered the Senate Criminal Justice Committee to study the costs that family members incur to maintain contact with incarcerated relatives, including phone fees. The panel is to report its findings to the Legislature in January 2017.

A committee official said Thursday that the lower rates ordered by the FCC will figure into that study.

Getting Outside the Box

DLM’s Brian McGiverin recently appeared in an Austin Chronicle article about “ban the box” in Austin.

Getting Outside the Box

Should a criminal record mean a life sentence of unemployment?

What do these people have in common? They all check “yes.”
(Clockwise from top left: Susannah Bannon, Gwen Cubit, Douglas Smith, and Lauren Johnson)
PHOTOS BY JOHN ANDERSON (EXCEPT GWEN CUBIT BY JANA BIRCHUM)

Most people, when filling out a job application, accentuate the positive. The internship you spent getting your boss coffee gets described as “provided vital support to core members of the team”; your reason for leaving your last job is not “because I hated it,” but “I wanted to explore other exciting opportunities.” But for the nearly 12 million Texans with criminal records, there’s one question that’s not so easily spun: Have you been convicted of a crime?

The question appears so routinely that most people probably don’t give it much thought. After all, who wants to hire a criminal? That way of thinking, of course, ignores the fact that a lot of people do things that could be considered criminal without getting caught – they drive home after one too many drinks, they use illegal drugs, they get in fights – and those isolated acts don’t necessarily define their lives or characters.

The past few decades have seen tough-on-crime policies that have drastically increased the number of people caught up in the criminal justice system. Texas leads the nation in the number of incarcerated people, currently housing more than 200,000 inmates (Texas’ overall population is 26 million). Although some of those people are serving life without parole, and others are on death row, the vast majority will be released from prison or jail at some point, and will be expected to reintegrate into society. They’ll be expected to find jobs and housing while complying with the requirements of their parole or probation. Unfortunately for them, housing and employment discrimination are rampant.

Susannah Bannon was released from prison in 2010, after serving 11 months for a felony DUI. During her time there, she became sober, but when she got out she was unable to find work. She recalls applying at an athletics store to be a cashier. Her interviewers thought she was overqualified, but that she might be suitable for a management position. However, when she told them about her record, their corporate office nixed the idea. Eventually she decided to pursue a graduate degree in the hopes that it would improve her job prospects. She’s currently a Ph.D. student at the University of Texas. Looking for housing in Austin, she was rejected repeatedly before finding a garage apartment being rented by an individual, rather than a real estate company.

 

Liability vs. Discrimination

Part of the problem is that employers and landlords fear being held liable should an employee or tenant cause someone else harm. Employers can be sued for negligent hiring and supervision if an employee causes damage on the job, and the “employer knew or should have known the employee was convicted of an offense that was committed while performing duties substantially similar to those reasonably expected to be performed in the employment,” or if they knew or should have known that the employee was convicted of certain violent offenses. The current law regarding negligent hiring/supervision was passed in 2013, and is actually less punitive than it was before.

Despite that, employers can get into trouble with the federal government for discriminating solely on the basis of a criminal record, if that discrimination both “significantly disadvantage[s]” people of a specific race, national origin, or other protected category, and “do[es] not help the employer accurately decide if the person is likely to be a responsible, reliable, or safe employee.” But that rule is hard to enforce. An employer could get in trouble for refusing to consider all applications with checked criminal history boxes, but they’re allowed to decide that they don’t want to hire any particular person on the basis of their criminal record. The Equal Employ­ment Opportunity Commission asks that employers take into account “the nature of the crime, the time elapsed since the criminal conduct occurred, and the nature of the specific job in question,” and that they give “an applicant who is excluded by the screen the opportunity to show why he should not be excluded.”

 

Banning the Box

As the U.S. has begun to rethink its criminal justice policies, a movement has arisen to ban the criminal history box, and to require that employers ask the question later in the hiring process, if at all. President Obama endorsed the idea in July, and is reportedly considering making an executive order to remove the question from all applications for jobs with federal contractors. Texas state Rep. Eric Johnson, D-Dal­las, introduced a Ban the Box bill this past legislative session. (It was voted out of committee but didn’t make it to the Senate. Johnson will likely reintroduce it next session.) And in 2008, the city of Austin passed a resolution declaring, “The city will amend its employment application to no longer require the disclosure of past criminal history during the initial job application process for certain job positions within the city.”

This summer City Council Mem­ber Greg Casar announced his intention to introduce a resolution to ban the box for all employers doing business in Austin. (He also said he would be referring to it as a “fair chance” ordinance, so as not to confuse it with the city’s anti-traffic initiative, “Don’t Block the Box.”) Austin would join seven states and 12 cities that have a Ban the Box ordinance that applies to private employers. Casar says that he decided to introduce the resolution because it was something people in the community wanted, and because he wants the city to think more broadly about what economic development means. Often, the city will engage in “top-down” economic development, such as offering financial incentives. The fair chance ordinance, as well as the living wage hike that has already passed through Council, have been two opportunities for Casar to support economic development that comes from the ground up.

Getting to that point has involved stakeholder meetings and presentations at council committee meetings. One of the reasons Casar chose to introduce the fair chance ordinance is that there are plenty of organizations interested in the issue, but that have more experience with state law. Last month, Lauren Johnson, Jacqueline Conn, and Brian McGiv­erin, an attorney with the Texas Civil Rights Project, presented to Council’s Economic Opportunity Committee their recommendations for the ordinance. They asked that the committee require employers to refrain from running a background check until after making an applicant a conditional offer. Ban the Box advocates, including the National Employment Law Project, argue that laws that delay the background check until the conditional offer can be enforced while others can’t.

For both Johnson and Conn, the issue is personal. Johnson, a recovering drug addict, was last released from jail in 2011. She works a variety of jobs related to criminal justice reform, including at Grassroots Leadership and Conspire The­atre, and she waits tables at Hill’s Cafe. She previously worked with the office of state Rep. Senfronia Thompson, D-Houston, on a bill that allows people with drug-related convictions to be eligible for food stamps. Conn moved back to Austin after losing her job at Carnegie Mellon. She was released from prison in 2006 and graduated from the University of Texas in 2008. After attending graduate school at Carnegie Mellon, she worked for the university until a new law requiring stricter background checks for university employees led to her termination. The law was passed by the Pennsylvan­ia legislature in response to the revelations of Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandus­ky’s numerous sexual assaults on children entrusted to his care. Although Conn’s crime did not involve children nor sexual assault, she was still let go. (Of course, the law would have done nothing to prevent Sandusky’s crimes: Sandusky had no criminal record during his time at Penn State.)

 

Moving Forward

Next Monday, Oct. 12, city staff will present their own recommendations to the Economic Opportunity Committee, which will vote on whether to bring the ordinance to the full Council. Acting Assistant City Manager Mark Washington, who is in charge of the city’s human resources depart­ment, has spoken favorably about the city’s hiring policy. Although Austin’s policy is, in theory, so vague as to be toothless, Washington says that the city doesn’t run background checks on potential employees unless the job is in a category with heightened requirements, such as jobs with the police and fire departments, or involves working with vulnerable populations. Washington believes the new policy allows Austin to hire “the best person for the job. We want to make sure that we recruit and hire the best people to serve our citizens.” He says that a lot of applicants with records aren’t really hardened criminals so much as people with addiction problems. “Possession is not an indication of an intent to commit a crime; it’s an indication of substance abuse.”

It’s true that the so-called “war on drugs” has caused a lot of nonviolent drug users to accrue criminal records and jail or prison time. But as drug addiction is now popularly accepted to be a disease, many people see drug use as less criminal than other offenses. However, for many people who struggle with addiction, their records don’t include merely possession charges, but also charges for serious crimes related to drug use. Those people also need employment. No one who agreed to speak with theChronicle was incarcerated for possession, although most of them believed that drug addiction had played at least some part in the crimes that led to their convictions. Douglas Smith, who works for the Texas Criminal Justice Coalition, became addicted to crack after years of alcoholism. At the time he started using he was 36, and had been working as a social worker for several years. His addiction in turn led to a series of robberies and a prison sentence. It wasn’t until his second arrest, when he knew he was headed to prison, that Smith was finally able to stick to his resolve to get sober. After spending five years and eight months in prison, he was released in 2014. Unable to find work as a social worker, he got his current job after going through a rigorous testing process. In person, Smith is serene and highly knowledgeable about his work, but his record marks him as a violent offender.

Ban the Box advocates are quick to reference studies that show that people who have committed violent crimes in the past, but have gone for seven years without reoffending, are statistically no more likely to commit another crime than anyone else. McGiverin also points out that a lot of violent crimes tend to be committed by young people. “People age out” of these crimes, he says. Of course, everyone recognizes that career criminals exist. Ban the Box doesn’t prevent an employer from discovering red flags. It just requires them to get a sense of the person behind the record before deciding how much their past crimes relate to their present character.

Furthermore, not all Ban the Box ordinances are created equally. There are a lot of variables that go into crafting them. Some cities exempt employers with few employees from their ordinances (Seattle forbids employers of one or more employees from asking the question, while San Fran­cis­co’s law only applies to employers of 20 or more people); others make employers take the box off of the initial application but allow the question to be asked at any point afterward, diluting the law’s intent, which is to have employers see applicants as individuals before deciding whether to dismiss them because of their records. Nearly every ordinance allows exceptions for certain jobs, such as those dealing with so-called “vulnerable populations,” like children, the elderly, and the incarcerated. McGiverin acknowledges the contradiction between banning the box in general and carving out exceptions based on the idea that people with criminal records aren’t fit to work with kids, or certain other groups, yet says compromise is necessary in order to create politically viable solutions.

 

No Silver Bullet

No one expects Ban the Box to solve the problem of unemployment among ex-offenders on its own. “It’s not a silver bullet,” says Casar. Many people leaving prison or jail lack the skills to be attractive job candidates, even without taking their records into account. Matthew Sheehy, who was released from federal prison in 2011, recalls that when he arrived at the McCabe Halfway House, he and the other residents were sent out to look for jobs every day, but not given any guidance. Sheehy has a friendly, outgoing personality, and says he took every single college course he was able to while he was in prison (California, where he served most of his sentence, offers free community college to all of its residents, including its inmates), and he quickly found work as a server. Gwen Cubit, who was released from prison in 1995, benefited from a program – discontinued during the Clin­ton administration – that offered employers financial incentive to hire and train former prisoners. The training she received allowed her to find work in the food service industry, including managerial positions, for years, although she experienced plenty of discrimination along the way. (She ultimately went back to school and now works as a licensed social worker.) “I never know for sure, though,” she says. “Did they not hire me because I have a record? Or is it because I’m black? Or because I’m a woman? Or because I’m gay?”

Yet Cubit and Sheehy were lucky, comparatively. Many inmates will leave the Texas Corrections system without having received an education or job training. And not everyone can count on the support of their family or friends. Bannon writes that “I haven’t always been this hard-working over-achieving nerd. The capacity to do so was there, as it is in thousands of people coming out of our justice system, but it was the post-release resources (familial/financial/recovery support) that made the difference for me. I have no doubt in my mind that if I didn’t have them I would be dead or back in prison by now. I lean towards thinking I would be dead, as addiction is a chronic and progressive disease that doesn’t give up.”

Reggie Smith, who was in and out of jail and prison from the early Eighties until 2012, says that people getting out of prison need practice to get back into the swing of working for pay. “They need to get used to going to work and not looking for a place to hide and sleep.” While he is in favor of Ban the Box, he thinks it won’t have much more than a symbolic effect. There’s no point in trying to convince people who don’t want to hire ex-cons to change their minds. Smith gestures to the shirt he’s wearing during his interview. “This company, Homeboy Indus­tries, only hires ex-offenders. There need to be more programs that focus on hiring ex-offenders so people can see that we’re good workers.”

Casar says his office is interested in listening to what his constituents want. More city-funded job training may be part of the answer, but Casar also doesn’t think the private sector should be counted out, and mentions the idea of providing incentives for companies that provide job training for a certain number of unskilled laborers, or are willing to hire a certain number of ex-offenders.

While advocates say that employment is key in combating recidivism, more job opportunities won’t address one of the persistent causes of drug addiction and related crime. Most of the people who spoke to the Chronicle described drugs as a coping mechanism for mental illness. Shelby Cole­man, who has been on probation for three related crimes since 2008, says that he began taking Xanax when a doctor prescribed it to treat his anxiety. He became addicted, and “felt invincible,” which led to a series of robberies. He says that the threat of jail was what he needed to become sober, but he still suffers from the anxiety.

Ultimately, Ban the Box won’t fix unemployment or discrimination. But its proponents believe that it will begin a conversation and help start the process of erasing the stigma of a criminal history. “It’s not going to get us to the finish line on its own,” say McGiverin, “but we’re not going to get there without it.”